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Good Afternoon

I am new to this forum but not new to forums as spent substantial amount of time on chevrolet blazer forum before blazer was written off.

In the fall we purchased a 2014 Traverse LT AWD with the V92 Tow package. We just purchased a new 26 foot Jayco camper trailer that is going to come in around 4600lbs dry so we are going to be coming in around or slightly above the 5200lb towing capacity when loaded and including passengers. Will be mostly on flats, very little hills and we will not be venturing farther than a few hours from home.

In anticipation of this and potential head winds I want to make sure I have every base covered before hand (I blew the transmission cooler in my Chevrolet blazer in the mountains, same design where it is integrated into the radiator and it was an absolute disaster once transmission fluid and coolant mix and get into the engine and transmission).

I am going to add an auxiliary transmission cooler but am curious as to others thoughts on this.

I am looking at either the B&M 13,000 or 14,000 BTU coolers. On the Acadia forum I noticed an install on the 13,000 BTU that required little modification and outside of the included mounting hardware only needed a 90 degree gm quick connect. Concern is that the 14,000 BTU might be a bit too big to do an easy install and will require further modification.

Any comments on the size of transmission cooler? We are in Manitoba so not normally experiencing overly high temperatures, but the concern of too much cooling in the Winter is a concern and I would prefer to not install a bypass on the transmission cooler.

Also I had noticed some comments while browsing with questions regarding which line is the supply and the return, the line coming from the top of the transmission to the top of the radiator/cooler is the hot (supply) line, the return is the lower line.

I am going to be plugged into the OBDII port while towing and keeping an eye on temperatures.

Has anyone towing ever had an issue with Oil Cooling and needing to increase oil cooling capacity?

We have a weight distributing hitch and sway bars to that base is covered.

Will likely be using the Traverse for a few years to Tow and then will be replacing our Cruze with a truck. (Kind of digging the Jeep Gladiator right now, solely because can get a truck in standard transmission, convertible, and with electronic locking differentials independently controlled and an easily disengaged front sway bar).
 

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I had an extra cooler over my trailer package in my former Uplander and in winter my wife made a. Custom blanket cover that I was using with tie wraps. It was faster than disconnecting the hoses and installing a by pass. Also I was at my limit with my trailer weight and a bit over but had no problems because my towing was on mostly level grounds and I was never driving over 55 mph.
 

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I pulled 2012 Forest River Roo 19, about 4100 lbs loaded, just wife and I. Flat Midwest. I was NOT a happy camper. Ran in 4th gear, around 3200 rpm on the flats. Any little increase in incline would drop it into 3rd. Needed a pretty good decrease in incline to get it into 5th. Never got it into 6th. Got a 2009 Silverado with 7500 towing and more payload and was a LOT happier.

Frankly, I think you are overloaded. If you are really at 5200 loaded, that means your tongue weight will be about 624-676 lbs. If you have a weight distribution hitch (and you SHOULD), add another 75-100 lbs. Look at the payload sticker on the drivers door, it looks like this:

2017 Payload sticker 3.jpg

Your tongue weight, anybody in the vehicle (kids, wife, dog, etc) and any "stuff" you put in it can't add up to more than what's on this sticker.

I'd never pull a 26 footer with a Traverse. Good luck.
 

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I think you bought too big, which especially troublesome since you KNOW your limits and blatantly disregarded them.


Good luck.
 

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Dry Hitch weight on the camper is 470lbs. It will be us and our two young kids (4yrs and 2yrs), we are not heavy people and our kids are young so passenger weight is not significant.

Majority of campsites we are planning to go to this summer are between 15 and 45 minutes away. For longer hauls we have my father in laws truck. Plan is to find a place we like this year, park the trailer at a seasonal next year, then purchase a truck the year after to do longer hauls when the kids are a bit older.
 

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Dry weights are a marketing tool for suckers. No trailer ever weighed it's dry weight, even at the factory. Doesn't include battery, any options, water, etc. Batteries and LP gas tanks are added by the dealers at their lot.

From a recent Forest River brochure (UVW = dry weight):

UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* - is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the
factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not
include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.
*Estimated average based on standard build optional equipment.

Here's Jayco's definition (July 2018)

Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW): Sometimes referred to as “Dry Weight,”
UVW means the typical weight of this trailer as built at the factory. The UVW,
as used in product literature and other promotional materials, does not include
cargo, fresh water, propane, options or dealer-installed accessories.

Note that Forest River includes the LP gas weight but Jayco does not. A single 20 lb propane tank weights about 37 lb full. I'm guessing you've got two. 30 lb tanks weigh about 50 lbs. Batteries run around 40-50 bs or more depending on size.
 

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I am all for camping and I am even more for doing it with young kids (been trying to talk my wife into this for years), but you need to think long and hard about the numbers and your situation... your intended use seems much more reasonable and the fact that you have a larger pickup you can borrow for longer trips, but I am very weary about going over manufacturer limits and would still recommend not towing this camper with your Traverse.
 

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Thanks, I appreciate the input. I will see how the traverse handles the trailer on the way home from the dealer empty when we pick it up next week and will consider borrowing the truck more frequently.

Really want to hold out and wait for the Jeep Gladiator to come out before I swap my car out for a truck.
 

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I towed a 24 foot trailer that was 5500lbs GVWR. Empty it was 4200lbs. I think I probably had it loaded around 5000lbs as we are light packers.

I towed that with my 2010 Traverse for 6 years without any issues. Flats it towed in 5th, but any slight incline I was in 4th.

I had the V92 package and I also installed an auxiliary tranny cooler which is still installed on it to this day, even though I don't tow with the Traverse anymore.

I usually put it in cruise at 62MPH and just let the truck do its thing. We towed long distances as well, including through the Appalachian mountains in West Virginia. It slowed down on some hills, but that 3.6L is pretty strong.

Do I like my F150 more, of course, but at the time the Traverse is what we had. With the F150 came a bigger trailer, so the Traverse was retired from towing.

We still use the Traverse for day to day errands and it now has 200,000 km on it. Only minor issues with it, so hopefully we get another 100,000km out of it.

FYI, our trailer was a Jayco 213EXP
 

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Thanks, another question coming up. I just swapped the winter tires over to the all seasons last night and I inspect everything I can when the wheels are off.

Rear shock has a worn out bushing so I will be replacing the rear shocks on the Traverse

Will likely either put on the KYB Gas-A-Just but I am curious if anyone has used the Munroe Max Air shocks?

http://www.monroe.com/en-US/e-catalog/MA833
 

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I have seen the air bags done, I would assume going with the KYB and air bags would a better combination as my assumption is that the KYB shocks would be better quality than the Munroe from a overall ride quality perspective but might not perform as well as the Munroe under towing conditions, but that is just an assumption I am making, and towing is only going to be done with the Traverse a very small percentage of the time. Reviews on the Munroe shocks I have found have been mostly positive. One person mounted the air valve inside the trunk of their traverse on the Munroe shocks to keep it away from the elements, I see this as overkill and less accessible especially if you have stuff in the trunk.

Not even sure yet if this would be an issue as I have not hooked the trailer up yet, I just came across the shocks as I was looking at what the highest quality replacement options are. The upper bushing on the passenger rear shock has worn out to the point I can stick a screwdriver through the gap......
 

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I have been using these air schocks for several years on almost all my vehicules for levelling mostly on my cars and the Jeep cherokee. You can use a bicycle pump to pressurized them to the height you want. On most of my cars when I did not need a equalizer hitch they were very handy for pulling a lightweight trailer with a low tonge weight. On the Cheerokee I was using them with the equalizer hitch. Dont need them on the Traverse to tell you for pulling a trailer if you use a equalizer hitch. They are good when your car is at full capacity with occupants to keep it levelled.
 

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Thanks, how did you find the ride quality on them compared to oem or monotube shocks? Any noticeable difference?
 

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To tell you I really liked them. Excellent rating. In my 1984 Chevy Citation I had a set that I really loved. Very good road handling and cornering. We were pulling a 1600 lbs single axe travel trailer and since the tonge was only 170 lbs I did not have any equalizer and these air schocks were doing their job excellent. The Citation was rated 2000 lbs with the trailer package and it was only a medium size car FWD. give them a try and I bet you that after you will never want any other kinds of schocks. And the nice thing you can adjust them the height you want to level your car but you cannot use them with no air in the bellow. Always need some inflation at a minimun of aprx 15 to 20 LBS to not cause damages to the bellow. I have read on this forum that some members when they had a good load at the back that the suspension was hitting the rubber stoppers. Does not happens if you have air schocks. Good luck.
 

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2019 was a good improvement over my 2010

I previously owned a 2010 with towing pkg. ( sold it at 143000 miles, did the timing chain while it was under warrantee). I now have a 2019 with towing pkg. No extra trany cooling beyond the factory. I towed the 2010 with 3200 pound 20 foot trailer out west through the mountains with my wife. No problem at all and climb some pretty steep inclines without any problem. We did over 5400 miles 23 days. It towed well everyplace but I was under the 5200 pound limit. I did find that the sweet spot in the plain states (Nebraska) was 50 mph @ 12 mpg go to 60 mph dropped to 8 MPG. At the end of our trip we avg for the trip 10 mpg. As for comparing the 2017 to the 2018 models, look at the hitch setup, the rear camera setup, the rear hatch storage bin, the width of the rear compartment (48.5 wide vs 42") . The DIC includes trany temp. Check the third row seating, way better leg room and height. Mileage is 30% better than the old version i have no expectations on improved mileage when towing though.
 

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26' camper has approximately 200+ sqft of sail area. A 20mph wind exerts approximately 18lbs pressure per sqft. That's over 3500lbs of sideways push on the back end of that little Traverse without even considering the car sail area! The increase in pressure is exponential as wind speed increases. Watch out for crosswinds or large vehicles passing or being passed. You could jackknife faster than you can think Oooohhh s*#t.
 

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Update

Picked up trailer today, with weight distributing hitch on I had no issue with sag at the rear end. Thus I am going to go with the KYB Gas-a-just rear shocks instead of the Munroe Max-Air. Confirmed weight of trailer was actually around 4400lbs before anything added, with options, battery, full propane tanks, etc. it runs 4700lbs. We loaded our camping gear into it this afternoon. Going to take it to a weigh scale tomorrow to confirm weights with it loaded.

On the drive back from the dealership I was very happy with how well it towed, we had a slight cross wind on the way home and it handled well without the sway control on. I was also used to towing a fully loaded single axle enclosed utility trailer with my chevrolet blazer through the rocky mountains which had its challenges so this is what I am using for comparison.

I will update again with measured weights. It will not be towed again until the end of May, I will update again then after towing with the new shocks and 13,000BTU B&M transmission cooler installed.


 

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Impressive. The Traverse needs a good wash. Nice pictures. One of my friend has a very similar trailer that he pulls with a 2016 Silverado. What is the tonge weight on this trailer? Much longer than my 20 foot minilite.excuse the picture. Could not turn it up.
 

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Impressive. The Traverse needs a good wash. Nice pictures. One of my friend has a very similar trailer that he pulls with a 2016 Silverado. What is the tonge weight on this trailer? Much longer than my 20 foot minilite.excuse the picture. Could not turn it up.

470LBS dry hitch weight

https://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2019-jay-flight-slx-8/264bh/

Weighed the traverse and trailer today with camper loaded and the kids in. Total for Traverse and trailer was 10,400LBS. So 50LBS under the GCWR. Could not get an accurate weight on the trailer as using weight distributing hitch, had under 4500lbs on the trailer axles. Towed in 5th at 98-100kmh, wanted to kick into 4th any faster than that.

And yes it does need a wash, believe it or not it was sparkling clean a week ago. Live in Manitoba and the snow is melting, its impossible to keep a car clean until the snow finishes melting and they sweep the roads.
 
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