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Anyone notice it and how bad it is on these cars?
I mean REALLY bad! The car feels like it's all over the place on grooved concrete.

I went to grab dinner in the wife's '22 Traverse (1,300 miles on it) and was like "yikes!".....it just feels so sketchy.

If you're in southeast Michigan, I'm referring to the concrete on the newer part of I-96 (east of I-275) and also on I-275 just south of I-96/696 for example.

It really makes this car feel unstable and like it's in a death wobble or something, instead of planted.
My Pacifica doesn't remotely do it as bad as the Traverse.

I do wonder if it's the OEM Bridgestone (18") tires contributing though?

If you don't know what I'm talking about:

 

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Dan - I haven't had the chance to drive over grooved concrete yet, but so far my 2019 is solid, feels firmly planted and in control. The previous owner put some Hankook's on mine. For the most part they are OK, but get a little too much tire squeak accelerating from a dead stop in a spirited way. Didn't notice that on a test drive with Michelin's on the test vehicle. With cool, warm or hot wet and dry roads I feel firmly in control so far.

So, maybe it is the combination of tires and surface?

This does remind of many (many) years ago, as a kid, riding on the grooved roads in Southern California. We had bias ply tires back then on the pickup truck camper (Tiltin' Hiltin'). They would get a flat side when parked too long and thump down the road for a while until they warmed up and smoothed out.

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'22 here as well. Nashville has some concrete/grooved roads and driving on them felt like what you describe.
First thing I did, on the second day of ownership, was to get rid of the brand new Bridgestone tires the car came with.
There were doubts that my driving impression was biased. Usually, I gravitate towards the Michelin brand. Looking at tirerack reviews - not much appreciation for OEM tire choice.


Replaced with Pirelli Scorpion AS - night and day difference in ride, handling and planted feel.

In general, I am very impressed with the suspension tuning of the Traverse. I compare it to the way my F30 handles on small roads. I continue to wonder how did GM make such long and wide wheel base and weight handle so well.
 

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'22 here as well. Nashville has some concrete/grooved roads and driving on them felt like what you describe.
First thing I did, on the second day of ownership, was to get rid of the brand new Bridgestone tires the car came with.
There were doubts that my driving impression was biased. Usually, I gravitate towards the Michelin brand. Looking at tirerack reviews - not much appreciation for OEM tire choice.


Replaced with Pirelli Scorpion AS - night and day difference in ride, handling and planted feel.

In general, I am very impressed with the suspension tuning of the Traverse. I compare it to the way my F30 handles on small roads. I continue to wonder how did GM make such long and wide wheel base and weight handle so well.
So swapping to the Pirellis eliminated that feeling?

I had my doubts on the Bridgestones, as they suck in rain too (hydroplaning). This is our 4th Gen 2 Traverse and second one with the "newer" Bridgestone Alenza AS 02 tires versus the 2 other/earlier Traverses having Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza tires.
The wife drives it and has never complained, but I've never liked the feeling of either of the OEM 18" Bridgestones when I drive it.

But the tires were "free" (included) and it's a lease. I'm just not sure if it's worth it to upgrade them or not.
 

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So swapping to the Pirellis eliminated that feeling?

I had my doubts on the Bridgestones, as they suck in rain too (hydroplaning). This is our 4th Gen 2 Traverse and second one with the "newer" Bridgestone Alenza AS 02 tires versus the 2 other/earlier Traverses having Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza tires.
The wife drives it and has never complained, but I've never liked the feeling of either of the OEM 18" Bridgestones when I drive it.

But the tires were "free" (included) and it's a lease. I'm just not sure if it's worth it to upgrade them or not.
That is a tough one with the lease. It feels like a waste swapping tires just to give them away at the end.
In our case, we bought the vehicle and plan to keep it for around 5 years.
Yes, the Pirelli's feel way better all around. Wife did not complain either, but she didnt with a previous vehicles either-until, around 20k miles, it became obvious to her too that the tires were subpar. This time around, I decided to preempt that scenario:)
Hopefully, you find a path that works for you guys. Enjoy your '22.
 

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This is entirely a tire issue IMO, I've had some that do and some that don't, luckily not too much grooved concrete in these parts.
 
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Agree. Not good - 2022 Redline. Our Explorer was the same - not as bad - but not good either. Has to be the tires. I find the traverse steering sensitive also. So a bad combo for sure. Its rare i drive on roads grooved like that however.
There aren't that many grooved roads around here, but when we do have to drive on them....it's just a uneasy/sketchy feeling though.
Shockingly, I've never seen anyone else mention it on these forums though and I've been around here since 2018. But I'm gonna agree that it probably is the Bridgestones.

Which tires do you have on your Redline, btw?
 

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Shockingly, I've never seen anyone else mention it on these forums though and I've been around here since 2018. But I'm gonna agree that it probably is the Bridgestones.
A month ago I had my worn front lower control arms replaced. With everything tight like new I now get pushed around when driving on grooves.
I guess it's not unique to the gen 2.
 

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Methinks it's tires too... our 2018 High Country had Kelly's on it when we purchased it (used). We just put on a set of the Michelin Defender XLT's and they're phenomenal. Never experienced the "wander" with either ones and we've driven on everything including grooved pavement and metal mesh bridge decks.
 

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Anyone notice it and how bad it is on these cars?
I mean REALLY bad! The car feels like it's all over the place on grooved concrete.
It's grooved for better traction in the rain, helps with hydroplaning.

Most tires are affected by it when dry with the "wander" effect.

First time I felt it was in 1981 when I got my first new car, a Chevette and it was all over the road.

It has happened to me in every car/truck I have ever driven. I have even experienced a worse "wandering" effect on drawbridge steel open decks...
 

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I don't have the problem with my 2020 with original Continentals. Having said that, several years ago we had a 2014 Malibu; I don't remember what the original tires were, but when we changed tires, it began having that issue when driving on grooved highways--and it hadn't had the problem previously. I mentioned it to the tire dealer and they commented that "high performance, low-profile" tires will frequently exhibit that trait--but it varies from brand to brand. I know--it's an expensive predicament when you find that new set of tires causes the vehicle to attempt to comply with the grooving in the road.
 

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I don't have the problem with my 2020 with original Continentals. Having said that, several years ago we had a 2014 Malibu; I don't remember what the original tires were, but when we changed tires, it began having that issue when driving on grooved highways--and it hadn't had the problem previously. I mentioned it to the tire dealer and they commented that "high performance, low-profile" tires will frequently exhibit that trait--but it varies from brand to brand. I know--it's an expensive predicament when you find that new set of tires causes the vehicle to attempt to comply with the grooving in the road.
You must have the 20's. The stock 20' Continentals are much better tire model than the 18 OEM choice.
I was looking at switching the 18s that ours came with for 20'. Unfortunately, the math did not add up. Ended up with the best I could find in 18' size.
Question for you: is the ride "firm" or "noisy" with the bigger diameter and lower profile tire?
Thanks in advance.
Kurbel
 
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