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Can't decide between a Chevy Tahoe or a 2019 Chevy Traverse. We like the Traverse better but we camp on the beach everyday for July and August so it needs to be able to drive easily on soft sand ocean beaches not packed sand. Has anyone had any experience with the all-wheel drive and the clearance driving on soft sand beaches. Not the hard pack sand like Daytona or something. Any information would be great I know it's not four-wheel drive but it's not like it's an Audi all-wheel-drive which I've seen get stuck many times and we laugh at them. Just don't want to be the guys who get laughed at. LOL
 

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I prefer the Traverse over the Tahoe for everyday driving on paved or gravel roads.....but



Wouldn't trust my Traverse AWD on a sandy beach.......not even if a High Country with dual rear clutches. Aside from their traction capability, I'd be concerned with sand's abrasive damage upon the accordion boots on the front axle CV joints and the electric steering rack.....not cheap repairs.



You could get lucky with an AWD, but reliable, responsible driving on beach sand calls for a Silverado/Tahoe/Sub/Avalanche class vehicle equipped with an Eaton E80 locker, higher ground clearance and 4WD w/4Lo in a native RWD vehicle with a truck frame......not a native FWD unit body vehicle driving the rear wheels through a slush box. ....a real 4WD with independent transfer case is only way to get true equal all time full power to each wheel regardless of surface conditions under each wheel. Doesn't mean you'll never get stuck but you've increased the odds in your favor that you won't.



Been there, done that and yes, better to be the one laughing than watching someone's boat/trailer launching his AWD SUV off a slippery boat ramp.
 

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Soft sand? Not hard pack like Daytona Beach where people can drive family sedans with no problem? You need a true 4WD for longevity. I'm sure the Traverse can do it quite well but this is a lot of additional strain on what is really a "part time" AWD system meant as a traction aid in bad weather.
 

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Thanks for all the information. Tomcat that was perfect. So I've made my decision I'm going to get a new Ram 1500 and give my wife my Avalanche to get used to the size for the next few months until we buy the Tahoe. this way I get to keep the Avalanche with which I truly love but have to move away from because we're pulling a 31-foot 8000 pound trailer. It'll be a good way for her to get used to the size before smacking things up with a new Tahoe. it's too bad though that the Traverse is not a four-wheel drive vehicle. I really liked the way it drove it felt like a truck but drove like a car or he Colorado compared to a Silverado. And the inside was great felt much bigger than the Tahoe even

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The Tahoe is my next prefered vehicle . Built like a truck because it is a Silverado minus the box. Full frame and maybe less room inside but for me I never use the rear seat except putting my groceries bags.
 

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Thanks for all the information. Tomcat that was perfect. So I've made my decision I'm going to get a new Ram 1500 and give my wife my Avalanche to get used to the size for the next few months until we buy the Tahoe. this way I get to keep the Avalanche with which I truly love but have to move away from because we're pulling a 31-foot 8000 pound trailer. It'll be a good way for her to get used to the size before smacking things up with a new Tahoe. it's too bad though that the Traverse is not a four-wheel drive vehicle. I really liked the way it drove it felt like a truck but drove like a car or he Colorado compared to a Silverado. And the inside was great felt much bigger than the Tahoe even

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Save yourself a load of bucks and forget a Tahoe/Ram in favor of a Silverado. I owned three Avalanches and traded the last of the bunch '13 for the '16 Silverado. Loved the midgate concept until you realize hat once folded to store plywood or sheetrock, you converted it into to a two seater and move the driver seat forward to kiss the steering wheel. By far I love the Silverado....same seating capacity as the Avalanche, carry 4' x 8' in the bed while retaining all 5-6 seat and a bonus upgraded lighting system. Identical 5.3l engine as the Avalanche plus a 6 or 8 speed w/manual option tranny and an optional 6.1l V8. Main problem I had with the Tahoe was the sorted wheelbase and limited storage. Besides with a Tahoe class you'll pay an additional $15K+ for the same configuration you'd get in a Silverado pickup....want covered enclosure get a tonneau cover or cap.... Only thing I missed was look of the Avy's sail and solved that problem with a sports bar and the roof lighting comes in really handy when hunting or camping. Plus if you go for a Z71 package you get higher front bumper clearance with skidplates and shields to protect the drivetrain.


Even the wife likes the Silverado better than the old Avalanches.
 

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thanks for your input. I actually never had trouble fitting a full sheet of sheetrock in the back of my Avalanche with 2nd row folded down. I only have to move the driver seat forward to clear the headrest but then back granted I'm 5 foot 8 and not over 6 foot but it happened with no problem. I'm a fan of the short beds and if I still want to get full sheets I would just fold the tailgate down and that combined with the short box would be at least 7 ft I would just use straps. Have you seen the 2019 Rams? They make the Silverados and even the Denali look like they dated back to 2014. I would even say they're up there with the interior of an Escalade check out the ram limited on YouTube videos and I'm not just talking about the 12in flat screen infotainment Center I mean just the overall dash leather dashboard and seats even the rear seats recline for the kids. I'm not a contractor so I don't really want to drive a full-time pickup truck that feels more like a work truck. I'll have the ram so my wife just needs an SUV not another pickup. So we're going to end up probably going with the Tahoe which is fine however she still in love with her 1990 Land cruiser that she had to give up 10 years ago. Now that was a nice big truck that drove like a car unfortunately the new ones are a $90k . I do agree though the Tahoe has very little leg room in the third seat because it sits on top of the wheels but the good thing is I'll never drive from back there LOL.here's the Avalanche. Going to keep her for a few months but will miss her when she's gone. But like every ex girlfriend eventually you got to move on LOL


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Both Car and Driver and Motor Trend did a comparison test between the new Silverado, F150, and the new Ram. Both declared the Ram the best overall vehicle. Don't recall which publication, but, one stated that the Rams' interior was hands down even nicer than most luxury vehicles.
 

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Grab a used Suburban 2500... 6.0 is indestructible, plenty of room for occupants and stuff and higher towing capacity...

I've sat in a new Ram, while it was very impressive and nice vehicle everyone I know that's had Dodge products over the years have had many more issues than any other brand, so I still don't think I'd get one.

Honestly, if it were my money I would be looking at a Titan really hard, maybe a Tundra (since the Tundra is **** bulletproof). Don't care for the looks of the new Silverado, the Sierra is a little bit better and I just don't buy Ford's philosophy of downsizing and running turbo engines, give me my V8! And yes, I know they offer the Coyote but the fact that it isn't the flagship engine doesn't sit right with me.
 

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I know the Tahoe is quite more expensive than the Silverado but a pick up truck is not usefull for me. Even with a cap there is always issues when you load some items in the box in winter when it is cold etc. The extra cost of the Tahoe is worth the ++++ over the Silverado.
 

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thanks for your input. I actually never had trouble fitting a full sheet of sheetrock in the back of my Avalanche with 2nd row folded down. I only have to move the driver seat forward to clear the headrest but then back granted I'm 5 foot 8 and not over 6 foot but it happened with no problem. I'm a fan of the short beds and if I still want to get full sheets I would just fold the tailgate down and that combined with the short box would be at least 7 ft I would just use straps. Have you seen the 2019 Rams? They make the Silverados and even the Denali look like they dated back to 2014. I would even say they're up there with the interior of an Escalade check out the ram limited on YouTube videos and I'm not just talking about the 12in flat screen infotainment Center I mean just the overall dash leather dashboard and seats even the rear seats recline for the kids. I'm not a contractor so I don't really want to drive a full-time pickup truck that feels more like a work truck. I'll have the ram so my wife just needs an SUV not another pickup. So we're going to end up probably going with the Tahoe which is fine however she still in love with her 1990 Land cruiser that she had to give up 10 years ago. Now that was a nice big truck that drove like a car unfortunately the new ones are a $90k . I do agree though the Tahoe has very little leg room in the third seat because it sits on top of the wheels but the good thing is I'll never drive from back there LOL.here's the Avalanche. Going to keep her for a few months but will miss her when she's gone. But like every ex girlfriend eventually you got to move on LOL


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Too bad....looks like a badged '13 with the pearl finish.......shame they made the later ones in Mexico, the drivetrains were OK but the bodies and beds were glued together with snot and the long Escalade CMHSL's soon filled up with water...went through 3 of them under warranty and then gave up.


As for any Chrysler product....gave up on them a long time ago, Duster, Cordoba, Volare, 300M, T&Cs, Cirrus, Breeze and Sebrings......bodies all made like crap. They finally came up with THE first, and decent, SUV/crossover with their '00 series Pacifica (not related to the current piece of crap) which was bulletproof in FWD and loved the semitransparent Nav built into the speedometer pod.........then they screwed it up with a rubber band AWD version.....then Diamler bought them, sucked out their computer technology, put in a German drive train and dumped them...and they reverted to their older out of date drivetrains......luckily I traded my gasping AWD '05 Pacifica for an '07 Avalanche and never looked back at Chrysler. Now that the European bottom feeder Fiat owns them I wouldn't even buy a tricycle with a Chrysler emblem.


My advice if you want to go with a Chrysler product.....drive a few used newer models first to see how they held up..
 

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I would definitely not trust the stock tires on sand or even on dirt and the owner's manual states this quite clearly. I replaced the factory tires with all terrain ones for this reason the first week I had the Traverse.

I would want to lower the tire pressure and have a portable compressor to add air later. I would also have a hitch with clevis available for the rear receiver and a snatch strap so I could be pulled out if stuck.

The advantage of a true 4WD with part time 4WD is that you can shift into low range and have more power if needed to muscle through the sand. Optimally the tires should allow the vehicle to float on top of the sand but sometimes one can hit a soft spot and sink down to the axles. No idea what the new Tahoe has for 4WD but if it does not have a low range option with the transmission and a locking differential then it is no better than the Traverse.

I looked at the 2018 Tahoe and Suburban but both had less than half as much rear cargo space as the Traverse and so they were quickly discounted. Actually less rear cargo space in either of these vehicles than with a Subaru Outback. Adding more rows of passenger seating has made the SUV's function like a van but most are now worthless as a SUV.
 

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I would definitely not trust the stock tires on sand or even on dirt and the owner's manual states this quite clearly. I replaced the factory tires with all terrain ones for this reason the first week I had the Traverse.

I would want to lower the tire pressure and have a portable compressor to add air later. I would also have a hitch with clevis available for the rear receiver and a snatch strap so I could be pulled out if stuck.

The advantage of a true 4WD with part time 4WD is that you can shift into low range and have more power if needed to muscle through the sand. Optimally the tires should allow the vehicle to float on top of the sand but sometimes one can hit a soft spot and sink down to the axles. No idea what the new Tahoe has for 4WD but if it does not have a low range option with the transmission and a locking differential then it is no better than the Traverse.

I looked at the 2018 Tahoe and Suburban but both had less than half as much rear cargo space as the Traverse and so they were quickly discounted. Actually less rear cargo space in either of these vehicles than with a Subaru Outback. Adding more rows of passenger seating has made the SUV's function like a van but most are now worthless as a SUV.
I can accept that the Tahoe is very similar in cargo space to a Traverse (because it is, most comparisons I've researched were within a couple CF), but a Suburban is worlds larger in each scenario (all seats up, 3rd row folded and 2nd and 3rd rows folded)... Not sure why you felt the need to greatly exaggerate that information...

My dad has a Yukon XL so I have had plenty of opportunities to load up both the Traverse and Yukon XL, it's not even close.
 

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Agree that you cannot beat the room inside a Suburban. Lots of room to spare. Also the ideal vehicle to tow big trailers. Personnally for my needs a Tahoe would be my dream vehicle even if the price is more expensive than a Traverse. The newer models looks very nice.if you open the tailgate of both the Suburban and the Subaru outback side by side the comparaison is day and night in room capacity.
 

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I can accept that the Tahoe is very similar in cargo space to a Traverse (because it is, most comparisons I've researched were within a couple CF), but a Suburban is worlds larger in each scenario (all seats up, 3rd row folded and 2nd and 3rd rows folded)... Not sure why you felt the need to greatly exaggerate that information...

My dad has a Yukon XL so I have had plenty of opportunities to load up both the Traverse and Yukon XL, it's not even close.

Cargo space and vehicle length:


2018 Traverse = 23 cu. ft. length = 204"

2018 Tahoe = 15 cu ft. length = 204"

2018 Suburban = 39 cu ft. length = 224"



In fact Tahoe and Traverse are not close in cargo space for length of 7-8 passenger vehicle with a length that comes in handy trying to stuff it in tight garage space.



Granted the larger Suburban is a wise choice for a family with 7 children consistently hauling 39 cu ft. of cargo, otherwise just an extra $30K bucks to pi$$ away for the privilege of hauling an extra 1-3/4 ft of empty vehicle a$$.


That's one reason for having a trailer hitch on a Traverse/Tahoe - can add another 150 cu. ft. of cargo space with a $1500 six foot trailer or rent one for $29/da on the rare occasion it is needed.
 

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Cargo space and vehicle length:


2018 Traverse = 23 cu. ft. length = 204"

2018 Tahoe = 15 cu ft. length = 204"

2018 Suburban = 39 cu ft. length = 224"



In fact Tahoe and Traverse are not close in cargo space for length of 7-8 passenger vehicle with a length that comes in handy trying to stuff it in tight garage space.



Granted the larger Suburban is a wise choice for a family with 7 children consistently hauling 39 cu ft. of cargo, otherwise just an extra $30K bucks to pi$$ away for the privilege of hauling an extra 1-3/4 ft of empty vehicle a$$.


That's one reason for having a trailer hitch on a Traverse/Tahoe - can add another 150 cu. ft. of cargo space with a $1500 six foot trailer or rent one for $29/da on the rare occasion it is needed.
So you proved what I said? Traverse and Tahoe are similar in storage while the Burb is on another level...

Tahoe's aren't much cheaper, piss away $25k on a Tahoe or $30k on a Burb... why do you think I bought a well used Traverse?

And totally concur, I have the harbor freight 4x8 trailer that can haul almost 2,000 lbs and use it regularly... it will become my landscaping trailer this year since I get the distinct privilege of becoming my mother-in-law's lawn care maintainer.
 

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I owned a 1998 Tahoe and it had two rows of seats. When I started looking for a new SUV in 2017 all I found were large and medium SUV's that had 7 and 8 passenger seating with the addition of a third row of seats that unlike passenger vans, was not removable. I went to the local Chevy dealer with my tape measure and measured the amount of cargo space in the 2018 Tahoe and the 2018 Suburban and it was far less than that of the 2018 Subaru Outback which has only two rows of seats.

I was delighted when the 2018 Traverse arrived and it provided more usable space although only the base level model had a second row bench seat and so mine has captains chairs for the second row and I ended up installing a "pet bridge" to get a flat space in this area.

Part of my objective with the new SUV was to be able to put our road bicycles into the rear without having to remove the front wheels and store them somewhere while driving. I could do this with the Outback and of course with my 2500HD pickup but I wanted something in between the two. No way would bicycles fit in the rear of the Tahoe or the Suburban with their third row of seats. If you travel with 6-7 other people all the time then it is maybe a tougher looking alternative to the mini van. But I tend to use the SUV as a utility vehicle and not as an 8 passenger van alternative.

Take 30 minutes and borrow a tape measure and head down to the local Chevy dealer and check this out for yourself. Then you will understand why I did not buy a Tahoe or Suburban as a utility vehicle to actually haul more than a bag of golf clubs or the family poodle. I cannot understand why people pull crap out of the air and type their unsubstantiated opinions and pollute forums with their drivel.

By the way the GM owner manual states "All-wheel-drive vehicles can be used for off-road driving. Vehicles without all-wheel drive and vehicles not equipped with All Terrain (AT) or On-Off Road (OOR) tires must not be driven off-road except on a level, solid surface." I replaced the factory 3-season tires with AT ones the first week after I got the Traverse.
 

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I owned a 1998 Tahoe and it had two rows of seats. When I started looking for a new SUV in 2017 all I found were large and medium SUV's that had 7 and 8 passenger seating with the addition of a third row of seats that unlike passenger vans, was not removable. I went to the local Chevy dealer with my tape measure and measured the amount of cargo space in the 2018 Tahoe and the 2018 Suburban and it was far less than that of the 2018 Subaru Outback which has only two rows of seats.

I was delighted when the 2018 Traverse arrived and it provided more usable space although only the base level model had a second row bench seat and so mine has captains chairs for the second row and I ended up installing a "pet bridge" to get a flat space in this area.

Part of my objective with the new SUV was to be able to put our road bicycles into the rear without having to remove the front wheels and store them somewhere while driving. I could do this with the Outback and of course with my 2500HD pickup but I wanted something in between the two. No way would bicycles fit in the rear of the Tahoe or the Suburban with their third row of seats. If you travel with 6-7 other people all the time then it is maybe a tougher looking alternative to the mini van. But I tend to use the SUV as a utility vehicle and not as an 8 passenger van alternative.

Take 30 minutes and borrow a tape measure and head down to the local Chevy dealer and check this out for yourself. Then you will understand why I did not buy a Tahoe or Suburban as a utility vehicle to actually haul more than a bag of golf clubs or the family poodle. I cannot understand why people pull crap out of the air and type their unsubstantiated opinions and pollute forums with their drivel.

By the way the GM owner manual states "All-wheel-drive vehicles can be used for off-road driving. Vehicles without all-wheel drive and vehicles not equipped with All Terrain (AT) or On-Off Road (OOR) tires must not be driven off-road except on a level, solid surface." I replaced the factory 3-season tires with AT ones the first week after I got the Traverse.
Are you comparing the space behind the 3rd row of a Suburban to the Outback or the space behind the 2nd row with the 3rd row folded or removed? The only non-van that competes with a Suburban/Yukon XL is the Expedition EL and their luxury counterparts... My dad has a YXL and my sister has an Outback, even with the 3rd row in place the YXL has much more room behind the seats, maybe the length is similar but the width and height aren't even close.

I'm fine with all of those statements about a Tahoe but it's ignorant to say that about a Suburban. I will continue to pound this drum so readers of this thread don't get mislead.
 

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Cargo volume to seat one.
Suburban= 121.3
Subaru. = 73.3
 
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