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Hi Everyone,

New to the form and need some advice.

My wife has a 2003 Ford Expedition with 190,000 that has been great to us but is starting to show its age

I'm looking at purchasing a 2014 LT (LT2 package) with 73,000 miles. 2WD, leather, captains chairs, dual sunroofs and DVD.

$16,000

Questions:

1. In terms of reliability and longevity how does the Traverse stack up? Is 200,000 miles reasonable to expect with proper maintenance?

2. Are there any common mechanical issues or problems I should look for?

3. Is $16,000 a fair price?

Any other tips or pointers would be great!

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We are about a year into ownership of our 2014 2LT AWD, no sunroofs or DVD though. Bought it last year from a Volvo dealer with 82k on it for $15k.

1. I can't speak to this personally but it seems like the 2013 and up models had most problem areas sorted out. I've seen a number of threads with high mileage 1st gens so I feel like it's possible (and hopefully becomes reality for me) for this vehicle to make it to 200k.

2. There are some minor ones that seem to pop up but the major ones (wave plates in the transmission, stretched timing chains due to oil consumption due to early crankcase ventilation) seem to have been taken care of. The biggest thing is to keep fresh fluid in the transmission (I do a drain and fill every 25k) and to keep an eye on your oil level during your first couple months of ownership. I did an oil change shortly after purchasing with a synthetic that has a good NOACK rating and now that my OLM is at 0% I'm about 3/4 of the way between the low and high marks on the dipstick.

3. Depends on where you are. Doesn't sound that far off of my price but I'd say your higher level of equipment and my AWD offset. See if you can get them down a little maybe.

Other thoughts:

-I do a lot of back road hilly driving, lots of traffic on those roads with varying speeds. This transmission (and most GM transmissions in my experience) will try to hold a high gear as long as possible and provides the occasional clunk into a lower gear under high load situations.
-The seating is supremely comfortable, great road trip vehicle. Also, the ride is excellent... not too soft but soaks up bumps nicely.
-The rear vents are in the ceiling. Our Pilot has the 2nd row vents in the console and the 3rd row vents in the pillar. Rear passengers have much preferred the ceiling vents.

Overall we are happy with our purchase.
 

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We are about a year into ownership of our 2014 2LT AWD, no sunroofs or DVD though. Bought it last year from a Volvo dealer with 82k on it for $15k.

1. I can't speak to this personally but it seems like the 2013 and up models had most problem areas sorted out. I've seen a number of threads with high mileage 1st gens so I feel like it's possible (and hopefully becomes reality for me) for this vehicle to make it to 200k.

2. There are some minor ones that seem to pop up but the major ones (wave plates in the transmission, stretched timing chains due to oil consumption due to early crankcase ventilation) seem to have been taken care of. The biggest thing is to keep fresh fluid in the transmission (I do a drain and fill every 25k) and to keep an eye on your oil level during your first couple months of ownership. I did an oil change shortly after purchasing with a synthetic that has a good NOACK rating and now that my OLM is at 0% I'm about 3/4 of the way between the low and high marks on the dipstick.

3. Depends on where you are. Doesn't sound that far off of my price but I'd say your higher level of equipment and my AWD offset. See if you can get them down a little maybe.

Other thoughts:

-I do a lot of back road hilly driving, lots of traffic on those roads with varying speeds. This transmission (and most GM transmissions in my experience) will try to hold a high gear as long as possible and provides the occasional clunk into a lower gear under high load situations.
-The seating is supremely comfortable, great road trip vehicle. Also, the ride is excellent... not too soft but soaks up bumps nicely.
-The rear vents are in the ceiling. Our Pilot has the 2nd row vents in the console and the 3rd row vents in the pillar. Rear passengers have much preferred the ceiling vents.

Overall we are happy with our purchase.
Thank you so much for your insight and feedback!

I test drove the vehicle again last night on the highway and it was very smooth and the ride was great. I did notice the doors feel a little cheap when opening and closing them but that is not a huge deal to me.

The one alarming thing was I looked under the vehicle and it was leaking transmission fluid from the seam of the two cases. It only has 73000 miles so this was a little bit discouraging but I think it may still be under the factory warranty?

Is this a deal breaker?
 

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OLM is at 0% I'm about 3/4 of the way between the low and high marks on the dipstick.

These engines are real finicky in regards to oil levels.... (timing chains for example)

I check my oil levels weekly.
Im nearing 151,000.
My engine uses oil now. So I have to add oil.

But I make sure my oil level stays ABOVE the full mark.


I do my own oil changes- Im up to about 28 I think.

I drain and refill the empty jugs and take it to have recycled. But what Ive noticed early on is that when the oil was anywhere in the hashed area- say the middle--- only 4.x quarts were being drained.
In other words- already about 1 qt short.
Early on- depended on how the vehicle was driven- highway/ stop and go etc... that resulted in different amounts of oil usage.

usually about 0 to 0.5.
Now that its gotten older- its gone up. I suspect its carbon deposits breaking off and scouring the sides of the cylinders. (read about this on multiple places)







 

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leaking transmission fluid from the seam of the two cases. It only has 73000 miles

151,000 on mine- and no transmission leaks.
If you do like this one- look a little further into where the leak is coming from.
It could be someone added fluid from a drain/refill and spilled some up top that resulted in fluid making its way down- and looking like a leak.
Does the fluid look fresh on there-- or aged?
 

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These engines are real finicky in regards to oil levels.... (timing chains for example)

I check my oil levels weekly.
Im nearing 151,000.
My engine uses oil now. So I have to add oil.

But I make sure my oil level stays ABOVE the full mark.


I do my own oil changes- Im up to about 28 I think.

I drain and refill the empty jugs and take it to have recycled. But what Ive noticed early on is that when the oil was anywhere in the hashed area- say the middle--- only 4.x quarts were being drained.
In other words- already about 1 qt short.
Early on- depended on how the vehicle was driven- highway/ stop and go etc... that resulted in different amounts of oil usage.

usually about 0 to 0.5.
Now that its gotten older- its gone up. I suspect its carbon deposits breaking off and scouring the sides of the cylinders. (read about this on multiple places)








I tend to check mine every 2 or 3 weeks on all of the vehicles... I personally do not fill above the max mark unless there is a TSB stating as such, oil "frothing" can be really bad for the engine so I tend to just keep it between 3/4 and max.
 

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I drive the vehicle then park. Let it cool off for a few min- then remove drain plug. (wearing a rubber glove) since oil is hot.
But contaminants have been stirred up- and it drains quickly.
Never had any oil drain with signs of frothing especially since it was just driven.

But knowing the history of timing chains, oil supply to the chains, DI beating up oil....
I prefer 5.5 qts over 4 qts.



As specified by manual......5.5 qts with filter change (PF-48).

thats what I do.... add 5.5 qts.


To me, that is my full oil level.
 

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I drive the vehicle then park. Let it cool off for a few min- then remove drain plug. (wearing a rubber glove) since oil is hot.
But contaminants have been stirred up- and it drains quickly.
Never had any oil drain with signs of frothing especially since it was just driven.

But knowing the history of timing chains, oil supply to the chains, DI beating up oil....
I prefer 5.5 qts over 4 qts.



As specified by manual......5.5 qts with filter change (PF-48).

thats what I do.... add 5.5 qts.


To me, that is my full oil level.
I can't fault you for that, I bow to your superiority and knowledge of these vehicles! I've used and perused many of your how-to's, some of the best I've seen.

So we did sidetrack a little bit OP, but the gist of our discussion (and I personally think this applies even more so to ALL DI engines) is to check the oil frequently! They tend to eat a little more oil and need to be monitored more closely.
 

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Thank you so much for your insight and feedback!

I test drove the vehicle again last night on the highway and it was very smooth and the ride was great. I did notice the doors feel a little cheap when opening and closing them but that is not a huge deal to me.

The one alarming thing was I looked under the vehicle and it was leaking transmission fluid from the seam of the two cases. It only has 73000 miles so this was a little bit discouraging but I think it may still be under the factory warranty?

Is this a deal breaker?
I'd definitely be asking the seller to look more into that leak or try to work some sort of extended warranty into it... If they were generally bullish on the subject I'd probably move on... anything getting near 100k is more risky so either the price reflects something that has some obvious flaws or I keep looking for a nicer example.
 

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to the OP.
I could not tell you what the current asking price is on a 2014.
But Ill tell you this. my 2010 was built on July 31, 2009.

In 3 weeks it will turn 10 yrs old....
I do not have any plans to get a new vehicle anytime soon.
 

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Thanks again for all your insight! not trying to be rude but the current owner doesn't seem to be very mechanically inclined. I don't think he was even aware that the transmission was leaking. he called the dealership and there is 5 months left in the warranty so Monday is going to take it in and see if they will fix it. with that said I just talked to a salesman at carmax who said basically all Traverse and Acadia transmissions are garbage, seems he is mistaken.

One other thing I noticed is he was using a Pennzoil oil filter and conventional oil as opposed to synthetic. He is the original owner and in turn is all the vehicle has seen its entire life. Is that anything to worry about?
 

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leaking transmission fluid from the seam of the two cases. It only has 73000 miles

151,000 on mine- and no transmission leaks.
If you do like this one- look a little further into where the leak is coming from.
It could be someone added fluid from a drain/refill and spilled some up top that resulted in fluid making its way down- and looking like a leak.
Does the fluid look fresh on there-- or aged?
I did notice transmission fluid around the fill neck and thought maybe someone spilled it. It's not leaving any fluid on the ground and what's on the case does look old. I'm hoping it's not a leak because otherwise it's exactly what we are looking for.
 

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Thanks again for all your insight! not trying to be rude but the current owner doesn't seem to be very mechanically inclined. I don't think he was even aware that the transmission was leaking. he called the dealership and there is 5 months left in the warranty so Monday is going to take it in and see if they will fix it. with that said I just talked to a salesman at carmax who said basically all Traverse and Acadia transmissions are garbage, seems he is mistaken.

One other thing I noticed is he was using a Pennzoil oil filter and conventional oil as opposed to synthetic. He is the original owner and in turn is all the vehicle has seen its entire life. Is that anything to worry about?
That seems like a bad idea to me. Might have issues later on if he鈥檚 only been using conventional.

I have an 09 traverse 160k miles and never had any major issues. Transmission and engine work great with no leaks.

I do think your paying too much for yours. I feel like you should be paying more like $14,000.
 

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I drive the vehicle then park. Let it cool off for a few min- then remove drain plug. (wearing a rubber glove) since oil is hot.
But contaminants have been stirred up- and it drains quickly.
Never had any oil drain with signs of frothing especially since it was just driven.

But knowing the history of timing chains, oil supply to the chains, DI beating up oil....
I prefer 5.5 qts over 4 qts.



As specified by manual......5.5 qts with filter change (PF-48).

thats what I do.... add 5.5 qts.


To me, that is my full oil level.
On my 2009 Traverse I keep the oil above the Full Mark. At oil changes I add 6 quarts but I do use the PF-63E filter which is a little bigger (longer). I've never seen any frothing. Almost at 193,000 miles and still going strong.
 
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